Comments on: Police Harassment at the Manchester Salvation Army Toy Run http://www.gl1800.org.uk/goldwing-events/police-harrassment-at-the-manchester-salvation-army-toy-run/ musings on GoldWing clubs, the Blackpool Light Parade.......and other GoldWing issues Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:48:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Now it’s the Heavy Hand of Greater Manchester Police? | Stuart's GoldWing Blog http://www.gl1800.org.uk/goldwing-events/police-harrassment-at-the-manchester-salvation-army-toy-run/comment-page-1/#comment-1123 Now it’s the Heavy Hand of Greater Manchester Police? | Stuart's GoldWing Blog Thu, 01 Jul 2010 08:56:30 +0000 http://www.gl1800.org.uk/?p=2746#comment-1123 [...] Police Harassment at the Manchester Salvation Army Toy Run December 10th, 2009 | Posted in Events, Road Policing | 6 Comments » 6 Responses [...] [...] Police Harassment at the Manchester Salvation Army Toy Run December 10th, 2009 | Posted in Events, Road Policing | 6 Comments » 6 Responses [...]

]]> By: Stuart http://www.gl1800.org.uk/goldwing-events/police-harrassment-at-the-manchester-salvation-army-toy-run/comment-page-1/#comment-700 Stuart Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:45:51 +0000 http://www.gl1800.org.uk/?p=2746#comment-700 I don't really want the Blog to become a Forum, of which there are several available to Wingers who want further discussion, so I think it's time to call a halt to further Comments on this Article. I don’t really want the Blog to become a Forum, of which there are several available to Wingers who want further discussion, so I think it’s time to call a halt to further Comments on this Article.

]]> By: dave and toni http://www.gl1800.org.uk/goldwing-events/police-harrassment-at-the-manchester-salvation-army-toy-run/comment-page-1/#comment-699 dave and toni Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:29:41 +0000 http://www.gl1800.org.uk/?p=2746#comment-699 What type of action would be appropiate?? What type of action would be appropiate??

]]> By: Ian Duxbury http://www.gl1800.org.uk/goldwing-events/police-harrassment-at-the-manchester-salvation-army-toy-run/comment-page-1/#comment-697 Ian Duxbury Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:01:11 +0000 http://www.gl1800.org.uk/?p=2746#comment-697 It only needs someone to float the idea......the Federation, perhaps? I'm up for it, as I'm fed up of bikers still being regarded with 1950's attitudes, that we're all greasy, long-haired (sorry Bill!) troublemakers. French bikers have a history of not being trodden on like us, so perhaps it's time to follow suit. Vive la Difference! It only needs someone to float the idea……the Federation, perhaps?

I’m up for it, as I’m fed up of bikers still being regarded with 1950′s attitudes, that we’re all greasy, long-haired (sorry Bill!) troublemakers.

French bikers have a history of not being trodden on like us, so perhaps it’s time to follow suit. Vive la Difference!

]]> By: dave and toni http://www.gl1800.org.uk/goldwing-events/police-harrassment-at-the-manchester-salvation-army-toy-run/comment-page-1/#comment-694 dave and toni Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:14:35 +0000 http://www.gl1800.org.uk/?p=2746#comment-694 We were left stunned by the police action - taking the free tea and coffee and then summonsing the guy who wants to help!! Lost for words..... One point, nobody was at the Trafford Centre to tell us where to go but this is only a minor point, for the future. It was a great turnout by the biking circles - and to support something worthwhile. What next - no parades because the police cannot be bothered! A mass demonstration would not work because it would be negative but something needs doing and FAST! We were left stunned by the police action – taking the free tea and coffee and then summonsing the guy who wants to help!! Lost for words….. One point, nobody was at the Trafford Centre to tell us where to go but this is only a minor point, for the future. It was a great turnout by the biking circles – and to support something worthwhile. What next – no parades because the police cannot be bothered! A mass demonstration would not work because it would be negative but something needs doing and FAST!

]]> By: Barry and Lesley http://www.gl1800.org.uk/goldwing-events/police-harrassment-at-the-manchester-salvation-army-toy-run/comment-page-1/#comment-693 Barry and Lesley Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:28:38 +0000 http://www.gl1800.org.uk/?p=2746#comment-693 This email was sent to the Riders who registered their email addresses at the Toy Run .... Dear Bikers On behalf of everyone at The Salvation Army Central North Division may I say a very sincere word of thanks to all who participated in the 2009 Toy Run Appeal. It was a magnificent display of around 600 bikers arriving at the Trafford Centre with your generous gifts of toys and financial donations enabling children across the region to have a happier Christmas. The toys are currently being allocated to many Salvation Army centres across the North West and the total monies raised to date is in the region of £3,000. Our heartfelt thanks to all who made the day possible and successful. Kind regards and may your own Christmas be happy and peaceful. Yvonne Field So although the police indifference was there let's remember what the event was for and how successful it was for the children of the North West who need it most! This email was sent to the Riders who registered their email addresses at the Toy Run ….

Dear Bikers

On behalf of everyone at The Salvation Army Central North Division may I say a very sincere word of thanks to all who participated in the 2009 Toy Run Appeal. It was a magnificent display of around 600 bikers arriving at the Trafford Centre with your generous gifts of toys and financial donations enabling children across the region to have a happier Christmas.

The toys are currently being allocated to many Salvation Army centres across the North West and the total monies raised to date is in the region of £3,000.

Our heartfelt thanks to all who made the day possible and successful.

Kind regards and may your own Christmas be happy and peaceful.

Yvonne Field

So although the police indifference was there let’s remember what the event was for and how successful it was for the children of the North West who need it most!

]]> By: Stuart http://www.gl1800.org.uk/goldwing-events/police-harrassment-at-the-manchester-salvation-army-toy-run/comment-page-1/#comment-692 Stuart Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:27:46 +0000 http://www.gl1800.org.uk/?p=2746#comment-692 A developing culture of what I call Blame Avoidance seems to me to be an important factor too; the Police, both individually and institutionally, seem to be obsessed with not being blamed if something goes wrong. So they don't want to be responsible for marshalling in case it goes wrong in case anyone complains or sues. And as this Toy Run has shown, nor can they leave people alone to do it themselves, even though they are doing it safely and responsibly. A developing culture of what I call Blame Avoidance seems to me to be an important factor too; the Police, both individually and institutionally, seem to be obsessed with not being blamed if something goes wrong. So they don’t want to be responsible for marshalling in case it goes wrong in case anyone complains or sues. And as this Toy Run has shown, nor can they leave people alone to do it themselves, even though they are doing it safely and responsibly.

]]> By: Barry and Lesley http://www.gl1800.org.uk/goldwing-events/police-harrassment-at-the-manchester-salvation-army-toy-run/comment-page-1/#comment-691 Barry and Lesley Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:37:58 +0000 http://www.gl1800.org.uk/?p=2746#comment-691 I wonder if these events are becoming a victim of their own success? Numbers go up each year as events get more popular and maybe harder to police without a huge number of police so they would rather withdraw their support. Maybe motorbike groups need to meet together and talk of a way forward with the police. This years run to the wall went well without a big police presence, but did the police expect so many bikers to turn out? But then again the reasons behind that paticular event I suppose would cause a public outcry if not allowed to go ahead. Scarborough Light parade had gone well this year, mind you its still a newish event so maybe the yorkshire police were not aware of how many goldwings would turn up, lets hope the yorshire police service dont get together with other forces to see what they are doing, if they do maybe that could bring problems in the coming year too. It saddens me that when bikers try to show their caring side that we start to get knocked back I wonder if these events are becoming a victim of their own success?

Numbers go up each year as events get more popular and maybe harder to police without a huge number of police so they would rather withdraw their support.

Maybe motorbike groups need to meet together and talk of a way forward with the police. This years run to the wall went well without a big police presence, but did the police expect so many bikers to turn out? But then again the reasons behind that paticular event I suppose would cause a public outcry if not allowed to go ahead. Scarborough Light parade had gone well this year, mind you its still a newish event so maybe the yorkshire police were not aware of how many goldwings would turn up, lets hope the yorshire police service dont get together with other forces to see what they are doing, if they do maybe that could bring problems in the coming year too.

It saddens me that when bikers try to show their caring side that we start to get knocked back

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