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	<title>Comments on: Group Riding Part Five &#8211; Leading</title>
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		<title>By: Silverfox</title>
		<link>http://www.gl1800.org.uk/motorcycling-skills/group-riding-part-five-leading/comment-page-1/#comment-1537</link>
		<dc:creator>Silverfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 23:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just thought I would add a link to the MSF suggested hand signals, originating in the USA, some of the signals need to be reversed for UK riding, but otherwise they are universal....
http://www.msf-usa.org/downloads/group_ride.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thought I would add a link to the MSF suggested hand signals, originating in the USA, some of the signals need to be reversed for UK riding, but otherwise they are universal&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://www.msf-usa.org/downloads/group_ride.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.msf-usa.org/downloads/group_ride.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Silverfox</title>
		<link>http://www.gl1800.org.uk/motorcycling-skills/group-riding-part-five-leading/comment-page-1/#comment-1536</link>
		<dc:creator>Silverfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading the whole set of these articles tonight Stuart and found them most interesting. My only comment would be that it would be nice to see an aditional one, describing the various hand and foot signals that can be used on group rides, eg. pointing out a hazard on the road to the following bike. HOG use a set of hand signals that are common to all their groups worldwide and this is readlily available somewhere on the net, I can&#039;t remember now where I first came across it, but I remember thinking how good and simple it was. Particularly useful where the bikes in a group don&#039;t all have CB.
Anyway, although late to the party, I still enjoyed these articles. Well done mate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading the whole set of these articles tonight Stuart and found them most interesting. My only comment would be that it would be nice to see an aditional one, describing the various hand and foot signals that can be used on group rides, eg. pointing out a hazard on the road to the following bike. HOG use a set of hand signals that are common to all their groups worldwide and this is readlily available somewhere on the net, I can&#8217;t remember now where I first came across it, but I remember thinking how good and simple it was. Particularly useful where the bikes in a group don&#8217;t all have CB.<br />
Anyway, although late to the party, I still enjoyed these articles. Well done mate.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 06:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent comment, thank you. Alternative ideas are just what I was hoping to see emerging from this series.  Your method illustrates how elaborations of a basic drop-off system cam be helpful among particular groups who have an understanding of how to work as a team, or in special circumstances along a route, when when some special arrangement, such as a &quot;scout&quot; riding ahead, will be worthwhile.  There is a potential downside to making things unnecessarily elaborate or complicated, but as long as everyone knows what&#039;s supposed to be happening, why not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comment, thank you. Alternative ideas are just what I was hoping to see emerging from this series.  Your method illustrates how elaborations of a basic drop-off system cam be helpful among particular groups who have an understanding of how to work as a team, or in special circumstances along a route, when when some special arrangement, such as a &#8220;scout&#8221; riding ahead, will be worthwhile.  There is a potential downside to making things unnecessarily elaborate or complicated, but as long as everyone knows what&#8217;s supposed to be happening, why not?</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Mackintosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Mackintosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart - I&#039;d like to mention a variation on your group riding suggestions which I happened upon earlier this month. I don&#039;t think I saw you discuss it anywhere (mind you, I could be wrong, as the series of articles was a long - though enjoyable - read!).

The Cheshire Wings group which has a weekend event in Llandudno every year invited me along again and - as usual - begged me to lead the ride, because of my local knowledge. I was happy to comply, and so they asked if I&#039;d mind trying a drop-off system which they apparently use quite often. 

Though I led the ride - as in &quot;guided the group of bikes following me to the destination, and decided where to stop for photo opportunities [see http://www.goldwings-northwales.org.uk/goldwings_galerie.php?dir=%2F2009%2FRide+to+Barmouth+for+Pennine+Wings+(4Apr) for the results] - I didn&#039;t have to worry about directing the drop-offs. Terry rode behind me as the second bike, and he told the third bike where to drop-off - thus relieving my load a little. As lead bike, you have enough to worry about (e.g. figuring out where and which way to go, accommodating road closures or other unforseen problems, setting the pace, adjusting to info over the CB from the tail-gunner, etc.), so I thought this was a useful variation on the standard system.

It even allowed me to shoot off ahead a little where necessary (e.g. to arrange a group rate for the rural toll bridge), knowing that Terry was managing my flock behind me. In effect, I guess I was almost becoming a marshall rather than a ride leader - and Jim Cretney actually joined me in that role the further along we went, ending up with a composite marshalled/drop-off system! But it worked well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart &#8211; I&#8217;d like to mention a variation on your group riding suggestions which I happened upon earlier this month. I don&#8217;t think I saw you discuss it anywhere (mind you, I could be wrong, as the series of articles was a long &#8211; though enjoyable &#8211; read!).</p>
<p>The Cheshire Wings group which has a weekend event in Llandudno every year invited me along again and &#8211; as usual &#8211; begged me to lead the ride, because of my local knowledge. I was happy to comply, and so they asked if I&#8217;d mind trying a drop-off system which they apparently use quite often. </p>
<p>Though I led the ride &#8211; as in &#8220;guided the group of bikes following me to the destination, and decided where to stop for photo opportunities [see <a href="http://www.goldwings-northwales.org.uk/goldwings_galerie.php?dir=%2F2009%2FRide+to+Barmouth+for+Pennine+Wings+(4Apr)" rel="nofollow">http://www.goldwings-northwales.org.uk/goldwings_galerie.php?dir=%2F2009%2FRide+to+Barmouth+for+Pennine+Wings+(4Apr)</a> for the results] &#8211; I didn&#8217;t have to worry about directing the drop-offs. Terry rode behind me as the second bike, and he told the third bike where to drop-off &#8211; thus relieving my load a little. As lead bike, you have enough to worry about (e.g. figuring out where and which way to go, accommodating road closures or other unforseen problems, setting the pace, adjusting to info over the CB from the tail-gunner, etc.), so I thought this was a useful variation on the standard system.</p>
<p>It even allowed me to shoot off ahead a little where necessary (e.g. to arrange a group rate for the rural toll bridge), knowing that Terry was managing my flock behind me. In effect, I guess I was almost becoming a marshall rather than a ride leader &#8211; and Jim Cretney actually joined me in that role the further along we went, ending up with a composite marshalled/drop-off system! But it worked well.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Walton of Appy Wanderers Touring Group</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry Walton of Appy Wanderers Touring Group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole series of write-ups have been enjoyable to read.  Many people involved in winging have talked about doing just what you have done Stuart, but never have.  So, well done for a well put together series of articles on group riding, I am sure every one as learnt something from them or at least refreshed their knowledge of group riding.  10 out of 10 mate, well done.
Yours Barry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole series of write-ups have been enjoyable to read.  Many people involved in winging have talked about doing just what you have done Stuart, but never have.  So, well done for a well put together series of articles on group riding, I am sure every one as learnt something from them or at least refreshed their knowledge of group riding.  10 out of 10 mate, well done.<br />
Yours Barry</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to know that someone is reading it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to know that someone is reading it!</p>
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		<title>By: GoldwingDaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoldwingDaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for a great article, very usefull info and well written.
keep up the good work Stuart, thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for a great article, very usefull info and well written.<br />
keep up the good work Stuart, thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 07:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t subscribe to the idea that more speed is inevitably more dangerous, as some of the the Jobsworths in Safety Partnerships would have us believe, but of course you&#039;re right that bikers who show off by pulling wheelies in traffic or even dodging about within a group are riding dangerously.  An experienced biker of mature years was killed when he collided with a car while doing a wheelie not long ago and it was announced recently that his daughters have consented to the video of his accident being used by police to discourage repeats.

The Police Motorcycle Manual refers to speed becoming dangerous when it is &quot;inappropriate to the circumstances&quot;, which strikes me as about right.  The trick is judging the appropriate speed for the circumstances skillfully.  For example, if you enter a bend too fast you will be slower going through it because you have compromised your options to accelerate out of it and be faster overall.  Riding more slowly than other traffic on a motorway is generally more dangerous than moving with it or passing through it.  Skillful use of speed and acceleration is an important part of good riding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t subscribe to the idea that more speed is inevitably more dangerous, as some of the the Jobsworths in Safety Partnerships would have us believe, but of course you&#8217;re right that bikers who show off by pulling wheelies in traffic or even dodging about within a group are riding dangerously.  An experienced biker of mature years was killed when he collided with a car while doing a wheelie not long ago and it was announced recently that his daughters have consented to the video of his accident being used by police to discourage repeats.</p>
<p>The Police Motorcycle Manual refers to speed becoming dangerous when it is &#8220;inappropriate to the circumstances&#8221;, which strikes me as about right.  The trick is judging the appropriate speed for the circumstances skillfully.  For example, if you enter a bend too fast you will be slower going through it because you have compromised your options to accelerate out of it and be faster overall.  Riding more slowly than other traffic on a motorway is generally more dangerous than moving with it or passing through it.  Skillful use of speed and acceleration is an important part of good riding.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 04:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was interesting to see how others rode in large groups on the &quot;Wirral Egg Run&quot;.  I noticed that small scooters and racing bikes seemed to bring out the maniac in most and I found myself checking my mirrors constantly due to them whizzing past me all trying to break the land speed record!!! your point 25 hits the nail on the head (Speed is the killer).  I&#039;ve read all of these articles and I can&#039;t fault them and yes they have opened my eyes to safer riding and I&#039;m sure that I am not the only one to say this.  Well done Stuart!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was interesting to see how others rode in large groups on the &#8220;Wirral Egg Run&#8221;.  I noticed that small scooters and racing bikes seemed to bring out the maniac in most and I found myself checking my mirrors constantly due to them whizzing past me all trying to break the land speed record!!! your point 25 hits the nail on the head (Speed is the killer).  I&#8217;ve read all of these articles and I can&#8217;t fault them and yes they have opened my eyes to safer riding and I&#8217;m sure that I am not the only one to say this.  Well done Stuart!</p>
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